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Thu, 24 Nov 2011
A few days ago, I wrote about
how to
set up and configure extlinux (syslinux) as a bootloader.
But on Debian or Ubuntu,
if you make changes to files like /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf
directly, they'll be overwritten.
The configuration files are regenerated by a program
called extlinux-update, which runs automatically every time you
update your kernel. (Specifically, it runs from the postinst script of
the linux-base package:
you can see it in /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-base.postinst.)
So what's a Debian user to do if she wants to customize the menus,
add a splash image or boot other operating systems?
First, if you decide you really don't want Debian overwriting your
configuration files, you can change disable updates
by editing /etc/default/extlinux.
Just be aware you won't get your boot menu updated when you install new
kernels -- you'll have to remember to update them by hand.
It might be worth it: the automatic update is nearly as annoying as
the grub2 updater: it creates two automatic entries for every kernel
you have installed. So if you have several distros installed, each
with a kernel or two in your shared /boot,
you'll get an entry to boot Debian Squeeze with the
Ubuntu Oneiric kernel, one for Squeeze with the Natty kernel,
one for Squeeze with the Fedora 16 kernel ... as well as entries
for every kernel you have that's actually owned by Debian.
And then for each of these, you'll also get a second entry,
to boot in recovery mode. If you have several distros installed,
it makes for a very long and confusing boot menu!
It's a shame that the auto-updater doesn't restrict itself to kernels
managed by the packaging system, which would be easy enough to do.
(Wonder if they would accept a patch?)
You might be able to fudge something that works right by setting up
symlinks so that the only readable kernels actually live on the root
partition, so Debian can't read the kernels from the other
distros. Sounds a bit complicated and I haven't tried it.
For now, I've turned off automatic updating on my system.
But if your setup is simpler --
perhaps just one Debian or one Ubuntu partition plus some non-Linux
entries such as BSD or Windows -- here's how to set up Debian-style
automatic updating and still keep all your non-Linux boot entries
and your nice menu customizations.
Debian automatic updates and themes
First, take a quick look at /etc/default/extlinux and customize
anything there you might need, like the names of the kernels, kernel
boot parameters or timeout.
See man extlinux-update for details.
For configuring menu colors, image backgrounds and such, you'll need to
make a theme. You can see a sample theme by installing the package
syslinux-themes-debian -- but watch out.
If you haven't configured apt not to pull in suggested packages, that
may bring back grub or grub-legacy, which you probably don't want.
You can make a theme without needing that package, though.
Create a directory /usr/share/syslinux/themes/mythemename
(the extlinux-update man page claims you can put a theme anywhere and
specify it by its full path, but it lies). Create a directory called
extlinux inside it, and make a file with everything you want
from extlinux.conf. For example:
default 0
prompt 1
timeout 50
ui vesamenu.c32
menu title Welcome to my Linux machine!
menu background mysplash.png
menu color title 1;36 #ffff8888 #00000000 std
menu color unsel 0 #ffffffff #00000000 none
menu color sel 7 #ff000000 #ffffff00 none
include linux.cfg
menu separator
include themes/mythemename/other.cfg
Note that last line: you can include other files from your theme.
For instance, you can create a file called other.cfg
with entries for other partitions you want to boot:
label oneiric
menu label Ubuntu Oneiric Ocelot
kernel /vmlinuz-3.0.0-12-generic
append initrd=/initrd.img-3.0.0-12-generic root=UUID=c332b3e2-5c38-4c50-982a-680af82c00ab ro quiet
label fedora
menu label Fedora 16
kernel /vmlinuz-3.1.0-7.fc16.i686
append initrd=/initramfs-3.1.0-7.fc16.i686.img root=UUID=47f6b1fa-eb5d-4254-9fe0-79c8b106f0d9 ro quiet
menu separator
LABEL Windows
KERNEL chain.c32
APPEND hd0 1
Of course, you could have a debian.cfg, an ubuntu.cfg,
a fedora.cfg etc. if you wanted to have multiple distros
all keeping their kernels up-to-date. Or you can keep the whole
thing in one file, theme.cfg. You can make a theme as complex
or as simple as you like.
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Sun, 20 Nov 2011
When my new netbook arrived, I chose Debian Squeeze as the first Linux
distro to install, because I was under the impression it still used grub1,
and I wanted to
avoid grub2.
I was wrong -- Squeeze uses grub2. Uninstalling grub2, installing grub-legacy
and running grub-install and update-grub didn't help; it turns out
even in Debian's grub-legacy package, those programs come from
grub2's grub-common package.
What a hassle! But maybe it was a blessing in disguise -- I'd been
looking for an excuse to explore extlinux as a bootloader as a way
out of the grub mess.
Extlinux is one of the many spinoffs of syslinux -- the bootloader
used for live CDs and many other applications. It's not as commonly used as
a bootloader for desktops and laptops, but it's perfectly capable of that.
It's simple, well tested and has been around for years. And it supports
the few things I want out of a bootloader: it has a simple
configuration file that lives on the /boot partition;
it can chain-load Windows, on machines with a Windows partition;
it even offers pretty graphical menus with image backgrounds.
Since there isn't much written about how to use extlinux, I wrote up
my experiences along with some tips for configuring it. It came out
too long for a blog article, so instead I've made it its own page:
How to install
extlinux (syslinux) as a bootloader.
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Fri, 28 Oct 2011
I wrote a few days ago about my
multi-distro
Linux live USB stick. Very handy!
But one thing that bugs me about live distros:
they're set up with default settings and don't
have a lot of the programs I want to use. Even getting a terminal
takes quite a lot of clicks on most distros. If only they would save
their settings!
It's possible to make a live USB stick "persistent", but not much is
written about it. Most of what's written tells you to create the USB
stick with usb-creator -- a GUI app that I've tried periodically for
the past two years without ever once succeeding in creating a bootable
USB stick.
Even if usb-creator did work, it wouldn't work with a multi-boot
stick like this one, because it would want to overwrite the whole drive.
So how does persistence really work? What is usb-creator doing, anyway?
How persistence works: Casper
The best howto I've found on Ubuntu persistence is
LiveCD
Persistence. But it's long and you have to wade through a lot of
fdisk commands and similar arcana. So here's how to take your
multi-distro stick and make at least one of the installs persistent.
Ubuntu persistence uses a package called casper which overlays
the live filesystem with the contents of another filesystem.
Figuring out where it looks for that filesystem is the key.
Casper looks for its persistent storage in two possible places: a
partition with the label "casper-rw", and a file named
"casper-rw" at the root of its mounted partitions.
So you could make a separate partition labeled "casper-rw", using your
favorite partitioning tool, such as gparted or fdisk. But if you already
have your multi-distro stick set up as one big partition, it's just as
easy to create a file. You'll have to decide how big to make the file,
based on the size of your USB stick.
I'm using a 4G stick, and I chose 512M for my persistent partition:
$ dd if=/dev/zero of=/path/to/casper-rw bs=1M count=512
Be patient: this step takes a while.
Next, create a filesystem inside that file. I'm not sure what the
tradeoffs are among various filesystem types -- no filesystem is
optimized for being run as a loopback file read from a vfat USB stick
that was also the boot device. So I flipped a coin and used ext3:
$ mkfs.ext3 /path/to/casper-rw
/path/to/casper-rw is not a block special device.
Proceed anyway? (y,n) y
One more step: you need to add the persistent flag to your boot
options. If you're following the multi-distro USB stick tutorial I
linked to earlier, that means you should edit boot/grub/grub.cfg on
the USB stick, find the boot stanza you're using for Ubuntu, and make
the line starting with linux look something like this:
linux (loop)/casper/vmlinuz boot=casper iso-scan/filename=$isofile quiet splash noprompt persistent --
Now write the stick, unmount it, and try booting your live install.
Testing: did it work?
The LiveCD/Persistence page says persistent settings aren't
necessarily saved for the default "ubuntu" user, so it's a good idea
to make a new user. I did so.
Oops -- about that Ubuntu new user thing
But at least in Ubuntu Oneiric: there's a problem with that. If you
create a user, even as class Administrator (and of course you do want
to be an Administrator), it doesn't ask you for a password. If you
now log out or reboot, your new user should be saved -- but you won't
be able to do anything with the system, because anything that requires
sudo will prompt you for your nonexistent password. Even attempting to
set a password will prompt you for the nonexistent password.
Apparently you can "unlock" the user at the time you create it, and
then maybe it'll let you set a password. I didn't know this beforehand,
so here's how to set a password on a locked user from a terminal:
$ sudo passwd username
For some reason, sudo will let you do this without prompting for a
password, even though you can't do anything administrative through the GUI.
Testing redux
Once you're logged in as your new user, try making some changes.
Add and remove some items from the unity taskbar. Install a couple
of packages. Change the background.
Now try rebooting. If your casper-rw file worked, it should remember your
changes.
When you're not booted from your live USB stick, you can poke around
in the filesystem it uses by mounting it in "loopback" mode.
Plug the stick into a running Linux machine, mount it the usb stick,
then mount it with
$ sudo mount -o loop /path/to/casper-rw /mnt
/path/to is wherever you mounted your usb stick -- e.g. /media/whatever.
With the file mounted in loopback mode,
you should be able to adjust settings or add new files without
needing to boot the live install -- and they should show up the
next time you use the live install.
My live Ubuntu Oneiric install is so much more fun to use now!
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Tue, 25 Oct 2011
Linux live USB sticks (flash drivers) are awesome. You can carry them
anywhere and give a demo of Linux on anyone's computer, any time. But
how do you keep track of them? Especially since USB sticks don't have
any place to write a label. How do you remember that the shiny blue
stick is the one with Ubuntu Oneiric, the black one has Ubuntu Lucid,
the other blue one that's missing its top is Debian ... and so forth.
It's impossible! Plus, such a waste -- you can hardly buy a flash drive
smaller than 4G these days, and then you go and devote it to a 700Mb
ISO designed to fit on a CD. Silly.
The answer: get one big USB stick and put lots of distros on it,
using grub to let you choose at boot time.
To create my stick, I followed the easy instructions at
HOWTO:
Booting LiveCD ISOs from USB flash drive with Grub2.
I found that tutorial quite simple, so I'm not going to duplicate
the instructions there.
I used the non-LUA version, since my grub on Ubuntu Natty didn't seem
to support LUA.
Basically you run grub-install to the stick,
create a directory called iso where you stick all your ISO files,
then create a grub.cfg with magic incantations to boot each ISO.
Ah, wait ... magic incantations?
The tutorial is missing one important part: what if you want to use an ISO
that isn't already mentioned in the tutorial? If Ubuntu's entry is
linux (loop)/casper/vmlinuz boot=casper iso-scan/filename=$isofile quiet splash noprompt --
and Parted Magic's is
linux (loop)/pmagic/bzImage iso_filename=$isofile edd=off noapic load_ramdisk=1 prompt_ramdisk=0 rwnomce sleep=10 loglevel=0
then you know there's some magic going on there.
I knew I needed at least the Ubuntu "alternate installer", since it
allows installing a command-line system without the Unity desktop, and
Debian Squeeze, since that's currently the most power-efficient Linux
for laptops, in addition to the distros mentioned in the tutorial.
How do you figure out what to put in those grub.cfg lines?
Here's how to figure it out from the ISO file. I'll use the Debian Squeeze
ISO as an example.
Step 1: mount the ISO file.
$ sudo mount -o loop /pix/boot/isos/debian-6.0.0-i386-netinst.iso /mnt
Step 2: find the kernel
$ ls /mnt/*/vmlinuz /mnt/*/bzImage
/mnt/install.386/vmlinuz
Step 3: find the initrd. It might have various names, and might or
might not be compressed, but the name will almost always start with init.
$ ls /mnt/*/vmlinuz /mnt/*/init*
/mnt/install.386/initrd.gz
Unmount the ISO file.
$ umount /mnt
The trick in steps 2 and 3 is that nearly all live ISO images put the
kernel and initrd a single directory below the root. If you're using
an ISO that doesn't, you may have to search more deeply (try /mnt/*/*).
In the case of Debian Squeeze, now I have the two filenames:
/install.386/vmlinuz and /install.386/initrd.gz. (I've removed the
/mnt part since that won't be there when I'm booting from the USB stick.)
Now I can edit boot/grub/grub.cfg and make a boot stanza for Debian:
menuentry "Debian Squeeze" {
set isofile="/boot/isos/debian-6.0.0-i386-netinst.iso"
loopback loop $isofile
linux (loop)/install.386/vmlinuz iso_filename=$isofile quiet splash noprompt --
initrd (loop)/install.386/initrd.gz
}
Here's the entry for the Ubuntu alternate installer:
menuentry "Oneiric 11.10 alternate" {
set isofile="/boot/isos/ubuntu-11.10-alternate-i386.iso"
loopback loop $isofile
linux (loop)/install/vmlinuz iso_filename=$isofile
initrd (loop)/install/initrd.gz
}
It sounds a little convoluted, I know -- but you only have to do it
once, and then you have this amazing keychain drive with every Linux
distro on it you can think of.
Amaze your friends!
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Sat, 30 Apr 2011
Intel hosted a MeeGo developer camp on Friday where they gave out
ExoPC tablets for developers, and I was lucky enough to get one.
Intel is making a big MeeGo push -- they want lots of apps available for
this platform, so they're trying to make it as easy as possible for
develoeprs to make new apps for their
AppUp store.
Meego looks fun -- it's a real Unix under the hood, with a more or less
mainstream kernel and a shell. I'm looking forward to developing for it;
in theory it can run Python programs (using Qt or possibly even gtk for
the front end) as well as C++ Qt apps. Of course, I'll be writing about
MeeGo developing once I know more about it; for now I'm still setting up
my development environment.
But on a lazy Saturday, I thought it would be fun to see if the new
Ubuntu 11.04, "Natty Narwhal", can run on the ExoPC. Natty's whizzy new "Unity"
interface (actually not new, but much revamped since the previous Ubuntu
release) is rumoured to be somewhat aimed at tablets with touchscreens.
How would it work on the ExoPC?
Making a bootable Ubuntu USB stick
The first step was to create a bootable USB stick with Ubuntu on it.
Sadly, this is
not
as easy as on Fedora or SuSE. Ubuntu is still very CD oriented, and
to make a live USB stick you need to take an ISO intended for a CDROM
then run a program that changes it to make it bootable from USB.
There are two programs for this: usb-creator and unetbootin.
In the past, I've had zero luck getting these programs to work except
when running under a Gnome desktop on the same version of Ubuntu I
was trying to install. Maybe it would be better this time.
I tried usb-creator-gtk first, since that seems to be the one Ubuntu
pushes most. It installed without too many extra dependencies -- it
did pull in several PolicyKit libraries like libpolkit-backend-1-0 and
libpolkit-gobject-1-0. When I ran it, it saw the USB stick right away,
and I chose the ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso file I'd downloaded.
But the Make Startup Disk button remained blank. I guess I needed to
click the Erase Disk button first. So I did -- and was presented
with an error dialog that said:
org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1 was not provided by any service files
Dave (who's wrestled with this problem more than I have) suggested maybe
it wanted a vfat partition on the USB stick. So I quit usb-creator-gtk,
used gparted to make the stick into a single vfat partition, and restarted
usb-creator-gtk. Now everything was un-greyed -- so I clicked
Make Startup Disk and was immediately presented with another dialog:
Installation failed
No clue about what went wrong or why. Okay, on to unetbootin.
When I ran unetbootin, it gave me a helpful dialog that "unetbootin
must be run as root." Then it proceeded to show its window anyway.
I can read, so I quit and ran it again as root. I chose the iso
file, clicked OK -- and it worked! In a minute or two I had a bootable
Ubuntu USB stick.
(Update: unetbootin is better than usb-creator for another reason:
you can use it to burn CDs other than the default live desktop CD --
like if you want to burn the "alternate installer" ISO so you can
install server systems, use RAID partitions, etc.)
Booting on the ExoPC
![[Ubuntu Natty running on ExoPC]](http://shallowsky.com/blog/images/hardware/exopc-nattyT.jpg)
Natty booted up just fine! I inserted the USB stick, powered on, leapt
for the XXX button that shows the boot menu and told it to boot from the
stick. Natty booted quite fast, and before long I was in the Unity desktop,
and, oddly, it started off in a banshee screen telling me I didn't
have any albums installed. I dismissed banshee ...
... at which point I found I couldn't actually do much without a keyboard.
I couldn't sign on to our wi-fi since I couldn't type the password,
and I didn't have any local files installed. But wait! I had an
SD card with some photos on it, and Ubuntu recognized it just fine and
popped up a file browser.
But I wanted to try net access.
I borrowed Dave's Mac USB keyboard to type in the WPA password. It
worked fine, and soon I was signed on to wi-fi and happily browsing the web.
"onboard" keyboard
What about an onscreen keyboard, though? I found one, called "onboard".
It's installed by default. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a way to run
it without a keyboard. Unity has a "+" button that took me to a window
with a text field labeled Search Applications, but you have to
type something there before it will show you any applications.
I couldn't find any way to get a list of applications without a
keyboard.
With a keyboard, I was able to find a terminal app, from which I was
able to run onboard. It's tiny! Far too small for me to type on a
capacitive display, even with my tiny fingers. It has no man page,
but it does have a --help argument, by which I was able to discover
the -s argument: onboard -s 900x300 did nicely.
It's ugly, but I can live with that.
Now if I can figure out how to make a custom Unity launcher for that,
I'll be all set.
Unity on tablets -- not quite there yet
With onboard running, I gave Dave back his keyboard, and discovered a
few other problems. I couldn't scroll in the file browser window: the
scrollbar thumb is only a few pixels wide, too narrow to hit with a
finger on a touchscreen, and the onboard keyboard has no up/down arrows
or Page Up/Down. I tried dragging with two fingers, but no dice.
Also, when I went back to that Unity Search Applications screen,
I discovered it takes up the whole screen, covering the onscreen
keyboard, and there's no way to move it so I can type.
Update: forgot to mention that Unity, for all its huge Playskool
buttons, has a lot of very small
targets that are hard to hit with a finger. It took me two or three
tries to choose the wi-fi icon on the top bar rather than the icon
to the left or right of it, and shutdown is similarly tricky.
So Natty's usability on tablets isn't quite there. Still, I'm impressed
at how easy it was to get this far. I didn't expect it to boot, run and
be so usable without any extra work on my part. Very cool!
And no, I won't be installing Natty permanently on the ExoPC. I got this
tablet for MeeGo development and I'm not welching on that deal. But it's
fun to know that it's so easy to boot Ubuntu when I want to.
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Tue, 22 Mar 2011
Over the weekend I tried installing Debian's new release,
"Squeeze", on my Vaio TX650 laptop.
I used a "net install" CD, the one that installs only the bare minimum
then goes to the net for anything else. I used Expert mode, because I
needed to set a static IP address and keep it from overwriting my grub
configuration.
Most of the install went smoothly -- until I got to the last big step
near the end, "Select and install software", where it froze at 1%.
A little web searching (on another machine) gave me the hint that
the Debian installer prints a log on the fourth console, Ctrl-Alt-F4.
Checking that log made the problem clear:
aptitude was complaining about packages
without a proper GPG signature -- type Yes to continue without verifying
signatures. But since this was running inside the installer, there's no
place to type Yes -- that Ctrl-Alt-F4 console is merely displaying messages,
not accepting input, and the installer doesn't accept any input for
aptitude.
Fortunately, "Select and install software" isn't crucial to the net
install process. I don't actually know what software it would have
installed -- it never asked me to choose any -- but without it, you
should still have a working minimal Debian on the disk. So I made
another console on Ctrl-Alt-F2, ran ps aux, found that
aptitude was the highest numbered process running, and killed it.
Upon returning to the installer (Ctrl-Alt-F1), I was able to skip
"Select and install software", finish the install process and reboot.
Upon rebooting, I logged in as root and ran apt-get update.
It complained about GPG errors; but now I could do something about it.
I ran apt-get upgrade and confirmed that I wanted to proceed
even without verifying package signatures. When that was over, the
problem was fixed: a subsequent apt-get update ran
without errors.
This ISO was downloaded (from the kernel.org mirror, I believe)
a few days after the official release.
I'm told that Debian changes the keys at the last minute before a
release; perhaps the new keys don't make it into the ISO images on
all the mirrors. Or maybe they just messed up with the Squeeze release.
Anyway, it was fairly easily solved, but seemed like a disappointing
and silly problem. A web search found lots of people people hitting
this problem; it's a shame that the installer can't run aptitude in
a mode where it won't prompt and hang up the whole install.
Alas, it's probably all academic anyway, since suspend/resume
doesn't work. It freezes on resume, with a black screen --
another common Debian problem, judging by what I see on the net.
I'm a bit surprised, since every other distro I've tried has suspended
the Vaio beautifully. But after hours of messing with it over the
weekend, I ran out of time and conceded defeat.
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Sun, 20 Mar 2011
It's time for another installment of "Where have the control/capslock
adjustments migrated to?" This time it's for the latest Debian
release, "Squeeze".
Ever since they stopped making keyboards with the control key to the
left of the A,
I've remapped my CapsLock key to be another Control key. I never
need CapsLock, but I use Control constantly all day while editing text.
Some people prefer to swap Control and CapsLock.
But the right way to do that changes periodically.
For the last few years, since
Ubuntu
Intrepid, you could set XKbOptions for Control and Capslock in
/etc/default/console-setup. But that no longer works in Squeeze.
It turns out Squeeze introduced a new file,
/etc/default/keyboard, so any keyboard options previously
had in console-setup need to move to keyboard.
For me, that's these lines:
XKBMODEL="pc104"
XKBLAYOUT="us"
XKBVARIANT=""
XKBOPTIONS="ctrl:nocaps,compose:menu,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"
though I suspect only the last line matters.
This wasn't well covered on the web. There aren't many howtos covering
Squeeze yet, but I found the hint I needed in a terse Debian IRCbot factoid:
Factoid
capslock says
For console-setup, append ",ctrl:nocaps" to the value of XKBOPTIONS
within /etc/default/console-setup (/etc/default/keyboard on Squeeze).
That factoid assumes you already have XKBOPTIONS set; as shipped,
it's empty, so skip that initial comma.
I was going to conclude with a link to the documentation on XKBOPTIONS,
or XKbOptions as it was capitalized in xorg.conf ... but there
doesn't seem to be any. It's not in any of the Xorg man pages like
xorg.conf(5) where I expected to find it; nor can I find anything
on the web beyond howtos like this one from people who have figured
out a few specific options. Anyone know?
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Sat, 27 Mar 2010
Three times now I've gotten myself into a situation where I was trying
to install Ubuntu and for some reason couldn't burn a CD. So I
thought hey, maybe I can make a bootable USB image on this handy
thumb drive here. And spent the next three hours unsuccessfully
trying to create one. And finally gave up, got in the car and went to buy
a new CD burner or find someone who could burn the ISO to a CD because
that's really the only way you can install or run Ubuntu.
There are tons of howtos on the web for creating live USB sticks for
Ubuntu. Almost all of them start with "First, download the CD image
and burn it to a CD. Now, boot off the CD and ..."
The few that don't discuss apps like usb-creator-gtk or unetbootin
tha work great if you're burning the current Ubuntu Live CD image
from a reasonably current Ubuntu machine, but which fail miserably
in every other case (wildly pathological cases like burning the
current Ubuntu alternate installer CD from the last long-term-support
version of Ubuntu. I mean, really, should that be so unusual?)
Tonight, I wanted a bootable USB of Fedora 12. I tried the Ubuntu
tools already mentioned, but usb-creator-gtk won't even try with
an image that isn't Ubuntu, and unetbootin wrote something but the
resulting stick didn't boot.
I asked on the Fedora IRC channel, where a helpful person
pointed me to this paragraph on
copying an ISO image with dd.
Holy mackerel! One command:
dd if=Fedora-12-i686-Live.iso of=/dev/sdf bs=8M
and in less than ten minutes it was ready. And it booted just fine!
Really, Ubuntu, you should take a look at Fedora now and then.
For machines that are new enough, USB boot is much faster and easier
than CD burning -- so give people an easy way to get a bootable USB
version of your operating system. Or they might give up and try
a distro that does make it easy.
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